PS3 has larger Install Base than 360

17 03 2010

Install base is a measure of the number of units of a particular type of system (usually a computing platform) actually in use, as opposed to market share, which only reflects sales over a particular period. Because install base includes machines that may have been in use for many years, it is usually a higher figure than market share. Many people see it as a more reliable indicator of a platform’s popularity.

We all know the PS3 is behind Microsoft in terms of sales by a few million. This difference is mostly due to the head start Microsoft had, and they have managed to continue to lead in terms of sales. However, when you take many factors into play, it actually turns out that the Playstation 3 has the larger community of both consoles.

The PS3 currently sits at roughly 33.5 million consoles sold, and the Xbox at 38.5 million. Now using simple math, you can calculate the average failure rate into both consoles. With the PS3’s failure rate you have 97.5% of the PS3’s on the market still working, equating to about 1,000,000 PS3’s currently not operational since launch.

The Xbox has about 38.5 million consoles sold on the market and has a failure rate of about 33%, when doing the math you get about 12,540,000 consoles that have been repaired by Microsoft and replaced.

By now your probably saying, but Xbox still has more consoles! Because people just send in those broken ones and get it back! Lets do some more math to clear this problem up.

At Launch in 2005, the Xbox had a 1 year warranty, which in 2007 was extended to 3 years. There was a 1 year gap in which the Xbox 360 was not covered from the RROD problem, so roughly 20% of the failed consoles was not covered by Microsoft at the launch. With each year after that, 20% of the consoles headed out of warranty. This adds to about 1.5 million consoles per year, which brings it to about 7.6 million consoles were replaced and not in warranty.

This means that currently there ware about 32.5 million working PS3’s and 31.1 million working Xbox’s on the market right now. The PS3 has a larger install base than the Xbox by about 1.4 million consoles.

In general, both consoles have managed to sell a lot, and both have large communities to play with. This article is intended to show people that the Xbox and PS3’s communities are very close to each other in terms of size, and the amount of people on the consoles as we speak.

Update: For those wondering, Yes the Xbox has more sales, Yes Microsoft has made more money off the console, the point of this article is to show that there are more active PS3’s on the market right now!

Update 2: This math is assuming both consoles maintained a consistent failure rate, and the number of units sold was distributed evenly each year. The numbers may be off by + or – 1,000,000

Update 3: To those in the comment section, we STRONGLY moderate our comments against racial and fanboy comments, all comments posted with content like that will get your account banned from out blog, no exceptions!

We all know the PS3 is behind Microsoft in terms of sales by a few million. This difference is mostly due to the head start Microsoft had, and they have managed to continue to lead in terms of sales. However, when you take many factors into play, it actually turns out that the Playstation 3 has the larger community of both consoles.

The PS3 currently sits at roughly 33.5 million consoles sold, and the Xbox at 38.5 million. Now using simple math, you can calculate the average failure rate into both consoles. With the PS3’s failure rate you have 97.5% of the PS3’s on the market still working, equating to about 1,000,000 PS3’s currently not operational since launch.

The Xbox has about 38.5 million consoles sold on the market and has a failure rate of about 33%, when doing the math you get about 12,540,000 consoles that have been repaired by Microsoft and replaced.

By now your probably saying, but Xbox still has more consoles! Because people just send in those broken ones and get it back! Lets do some more math to clear this problem up.

At Launch in 2005, the Xbox had a 1 year warranty, which in 2007 was extended to 3 years. There was a 1 year gap in which the Xbox 360 was not covered from the RROD problem, so roughly 20% of the failed consoles was not covered by Microsoft at the launch. With each year after that, 20% of the consoles headed out of warranty. This adds to about 1.5 million consoles per year, which brings it to about 7.6 million consoles were replaced and not in warranty.

This means that currently there ware about 32.5 million working PS3’s and 31.1 million working Xbox’s on the market right now. The PS3 has a larger install base than the Xbox by about 1.4 million consoles.

In general, both consoles have managed to sell a lot, and both have large communities to play with. This article is intended to show people that the Xbox and PS3’s communities are very close to each other in terms of size, and the amount of people on the consoles as we speak.

Update: For those wondering, Yes the Xbox has more sales, Yes Microsoft has made more money off the console, the point of this article is to show that there are more active PS3’s on the market right now!
Update 2: Install base is a measure of the number of units of a particular type of system (usually a computing platform) actually in use, as opposed to market share, which only reflects sales over a particular period. Because installed base includes machines that may have been in use for many years, it is usually a higher figure than market share. Many people see it as a more reliable indicator of a platform’s popularity.

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27 responses

17 03 2010
pookie

The failure rates used in the article have no factual backing. Only Sony and MS know the real numbers, so any calculations based on “commonly cited figures” are on shaky grounds.

Another aspect that needs to be considered is the Blu-Ray aspect of the PS3. How many buyers got it only as a movie player?

Looking at sales of multi-plat titles does not seem to bear out the conclusions of this article. Almost every multi-plat title sells more xbox versions than PS3 versions. So even if the conclusions were correct, they’d be some missing factor to explain the observed sales discrepancies.

17 03 2010
J.E. Marval

Completely agree. There are some other statistics missing that would affect those numbers too, but the idea and the fact that both consoles are close in terms of install base, I believe is totally true.

17 03 2010
Bob

From 2008 onwards didn’t the xbox have something like a 3% failure rate? so really you should be finding 33% of 20 something million xbox’s sold and then 3% of the 18 odd million sold so i think the numbers would be a lot more than or – 1,000,000 , also the notion that anyone with a failed xbox would buy another xbox if they ran out of is speculation not fact, i know many people with broken xboxs going out and buying a ps3 insted of another xbox. I don’t get why people make topics like this all it does is cause arguments

17 03 2010
TheL1T1G4T0R

EXCELLENT ARTICLE!

It was an absolute pleasure to watch you breakdown the numbers and dissect the issue at hand. I am very pleased to see somebody else playing devil’s advocate and pointing out the ignorance most gamers just accept as fact.

Seriously, great article. I look forward to reading more of your stuff.

@Pookie I really hate it when people try to argue using unrelated opinions or generic statements.

1) Doesn’t matter if people are buying the PS3 as a Blu Ray player, it’s active in their homes working as a “home entertainment media center” which if you have paid attention is what Sony calls their console.

This argument is strongly over-used and a crutch. Please bring something better to the table.

2) I suppose you would like to use numbers you made up as opposed to generally established facts. These numbers come from analysts and numerous data polls taken from actual gamers themselves. In case, you didn’t know…NUMBERS DON’T LIE.

3) Multi-platform titles sell on the Xbox because their audience is less mature than that of the PS3. The Xbox 360 audience doesn’t have the life concerns as a PS3 user. It is another generally established fact backed up with data and studies. We (the PS3 audience) don’t buy every game that comes out because we consider mortgage or feeding our children more important than a game. Then again…if pay close attention to your own words…some people aren’t playing games at all. They’re using the PS3 as a Blu Ray player which in the end is still great for Sony.

17 03 2010
TheL1T1G4T0R

@Bob

Why are you posting at all if you don’t appreciate the topic?

Bottom line..you posted here. That’s exactly why we write articles. We want people to think or debate the issue. You’ve fallen into the trap as well. So basically you’re arguing…and then you admit you have no clue what’s going on.

Sad really.

I also don’t think you have an accurate picture on people’s buying habits. Up until recently or the price drop of the PS3, if somebody’s Xbox 360 went down, they would go out and buy a new one. I have a friend right now who is going to buy an ELITE because his regular one crapped out. Smart…not really but then again “the masses are asses.”

17 03 2010
haha

Careful now, 360 fanboys will gang rape you even if you speak the truth. 🙂

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17 03 2010
Claudia

At TheL1T1G4T0R, It’s actually a disadvantage for sony if people only bought the ps3 just for the bluray. They are losing money for every console that the consumers are buying, they get the money back by having gamers buy games. Well, regarding the article, i do agree that their are definitely xbox gamers who bought more than one xbox 360 (Because of RROD)……. god forbid even more than 3. But the actual numbers i don’t think we’ll ever know.

17 03 2010
TheL1T1G4T0R

@Claudia

Why is it a disadvantage? You mean in the console war?

But then again, Sony really isn’t trying to win a console war. Their marketing is proof of that. They’re trying to establish that the PS3 should be in every household…not every gamers’ home.

So think of it this way…right now the numbers may not be telling but when total number of PS3s sales are higher than the Xbox 360 numbers, Sony will look that much more smart because they have captured more people regardless of their use than Microsoft.

If you’re getting people to buy a game console for reasons other than gaming, I’d call that genius.

17 03 2010
Google

@Claudia – Sony gets money for each Bluray manufactured/sold too, from royalties due to their many patents for that format. That’s why the format war was so important to them.

17 03 2010
Inphi

@TheLITIGATOR, genius doesn’t mean profit. But still I agree with what Google said

17 03 2010
fourkill

@ The L1T1G4TOR:
While I like what your saying, I have to argue one point. I do own a PS3 and will never own an Xbox because of there failures, but your posting about The polls is wrong. Numbers do lie in fact. Every spreadsheet can be played to make somebody else to look good or bad. If you were to see a poll that said “Has your Xbox failed?” and it had yes or no, would you bother to answer it? If it was me, i would seriously debate, I’m no PS3 Fanboy, ask the Author of this site =P but a lot of the time people come out of the woodwork just to make another company look bad. My 2 cents.

17 03 2010
Mike Wood

It so doesn’t matter to Sony if a PS3 is bought strictly as a Blu Ray player. It’s bought, and that’s what counts to them. Money. I really don’t think they care why they’re getting it, just so long as they’re getting it.

And another thing to factor into the disconnect between 360 sales and their installed userbase…M$ is pretty heavy with their banhammer, but they only ban consoles…they don’t ban users from XBL.

So in effect, by not banning the account and only banning the specific machine, they’re pretty much instructing the banned to go out and buy another 360…which they do. Look at what happened when Major Nelson banned over a million boxes late last year…

…most of the bricked boxes went up on eBay and the users bought new 360s…further seperating the 360 sales from actual users.

17 03 2010
jidery

@above

It hurts sony if people buy it just as a blu-ray player, as they make up for the production costs by selling games.

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18 03 2010
Kryptyk Samurai

@the litigator,

First and foremost, I care less which console sells better. I’m sure many people out there were perfectly happy with their dreamcast when it came out. I just happen to be a 31 year old, US Army Officer and UH60 Blackhawk pilot, with a wife, a two year old and one on the way. My point is, I’m sure there are millions (at least some % of the installed base has to be teen/adolescent) of bratty, annoying, racist, smack talking teenagers or below on the PSN. I have noticed much of my live game time to be with fellow respectable adults who also have jobs and mortgages and not with the aforementioned immature, no-parent-supervision kids. Anyone who plays on any game service will have issues (yes, PC gaming crowd, you too as I am a PC gamer as well). In fact, one may argue that many parents out there pay for a PS3 for their kids because they don’t have to pay for the PSN and it saves them a little dough (which is important for bills and mortgages and such). Granted, $4.16/month or 13 cents/day really doesn’t help that much. Further, if you are worried about that money being an issue with paying for Xboxlive, go to Taco Bell one less time each MONTH and you’ll be fine. Ok, no Taco Bell once a month and voila, live is paid for….simple really.

Ultimately, what I’m trying to say is, your argument that, wait a second, I want to make sure I get this right….you said, “The Xbox 360 audience doesn’t have the life concerns as a PS3 user. It is another generally established fact backed up with data and studies. We (the PS3 audience) don’t buy every game that comes out because we consider mortgage or feeding our children more important than a game.” Wow….talk about a general statement (for both PS3 and Xbox users)….utter fail on your part after you berate other for doing what, using general statements. Hell, you even use the word “generally” in your argument. Good job, buddy. Since you typed your statements, I guess you don’t technically have to pull your foot out of your mouth, but you get the idea.

Going back to the “mature” gamer argument you so gloriously brought to the table as the apparent spokesperson for all PS3 users, that argument is also played out and over-used by you (that is to say the PS3 audience since you speak for them I guess I can just roll up the 30+ million users to just you…right?). So you Sir, can bring more to the table as well.

Look, I got the original Xbox as a gift and I loved it. Got the 360 as a gift and I love it (and yes I had to replace it due to the RROD two years ago). Pissed, yes. End of the world, no. After all, I’m a mature, bill paying, adult with responsibilities such as a job…so I could afford to pay for it. I even follow game development on the PS3 (I know more about GofW3, Uncharted2, and Heavy Rain than I should). Alas, I do not have a reason to get a PS3, even for Bluray cause I got me one of those (from Sony even). In fact, my entire home entertainment system is Sony (TV, check, bluray, check, surround sound, check). So I guess I’m a Sony and Microsoft fan boy. To each his own.

Ok, I’m done. Litigator…your turn…ready, set, go. I’m sure you’ll have something to say.

18 03 2010
jidery

@Kryptyk Samurai

Litigator had some good points, but i agree with you, he should have not stereotyped as much as he did. We are all gamers, it does not matter what system, every problem you listed it on all game systems.

4 04 2010
Stephen R Dilley

What is the actual numbers of playstation 3 being sold units wize .I’m
trying to do satasstics, on the number of playstation sold in America
as current date Apir 4 2010

8 04 2010
Will

Dont froget You dont Pay for internet on PS3 as you do on Xbox so xbox would make more money there…….. Plus so many people loved halo 2 they could not wait for halo 3 when they heard it was coming on new system so they went and bought it for that… Also the internet on PS2 sucked so bad that it turned some away from buying the next one….. I loved both xbox and playstation but more of my friends have xbox live so i bought the xbox so i could play with them… plus i dont need a blu ray player i bought a samsung one for 80 bucks…… the one guy who said that more xbox user are younger and more playstation user are older thats true…. And if my xbox broke i would not buy new one cheaper to have it fixed then to buy new one. my first one broke cost me 25 dollars to have it fixed……. i can say that there may be 10000000 people who have playstation dont mean they use it for what they got it for or use it at all. Beacuse if you bring up xbox live and playstation internet and play same game and on weekend where more would be on you would see more playing on xbox…. also people bought it cuz of the “name” microsoft they thought heck bill gates company making gaming system heck ill check it out becuase windows was soo good maybe system will be too… im not saying xbox has more money or less they both are around the same money made on the gaming system only but if microsoft keeps building windows microsoft will always be top todays world is used with windows

8 04 2010
Will

The L1T1G4TOR

if the playstation is a gaming console and movie player then it will never be in everyone home becuase not everyone is a gamer and its not a computer…. there is a computer in every home becuase that is needed a sony ps3 is not.. you cant do your job on a ps3 as u can on pc so if sony trying to get it every home then will never happen becuase there people out there who dont play games and there people out there who are hardcore pc gamers.

8 04 2010
Will

and what is the differnce in the two… sony: blu ray and blue tooth and dont pay for internet…… xbox: you pay for internet and no blu ray that comes standard…

Same: 95% same games on each

so if people are more like me they wait and see what there friends are gonna get so they all can hook up together..

16 04 2010
Righteous Anger of God

Very nice article there buddy. And for those saying that those xbox 1.5 failure rate % numbers have no “official backing” and aren’t correct YOU ARE RIGHT. Because the real numbers are closer to %55 failure rate for the Xbox 1.5.
BTW I own all 3 systems, PS360gb, Wii and the RE5 LE Red elite 360 (jasper) system.
The 360 is a POS by all standards, I got RROD after 16 days of owning the “best” xbox ever made which is the 360 (Jasper) with the 65nm CPU/GPU. Epic Fail . . .
Lucky for me I had BB warranty for 2 years.
Anyway, Gameinformer which is owned by the largest game retailer Gamestop, You might have heard of them kids, has done their own internal survey which said almost %55 of all Xbox 360’s failed ONCE and %45 failed AGAIN for the second time.

Case Closed end of Story.

PS: Lets re-open the case for the Sony Playstation fans, here’s case in point how dumb Xbox 360 fans are, their system fails time after time yet they keep buying this POS system. Ignorance is bliss, stick with it I guess . . .

28 04 2010
Games PS3

Thanks for the information and content useful.

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17 06 2010
Vashthep

I agree with pookie. I author of this article all but says that he is guessing with his figures and apparently likes the PS3 because he is writing this article to twist those sales figures into a larger “working” install base for Sony. Because of this his guessing percentages to me looks more like making up. After all 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. I’ll cite fox news to back that up as earlier this year they where using a poll showing american approval of Obama’s health care bill that added up to 120%. To the author of this article all I have to say is this: pull the other one!

17 10 2010
Dusty Statzer

have been reading your blog for a few days. absolutely love your posts. by the way i’m doing a research concerning this issue. do you know other sites or maybe online forums that I might get more? thanks in advance.

29 11 2012
Anonymous

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